Insulting or attacking other users, even so much saying “fuck you”, “fuck [this group of people]”, “you’re an idiot” or anything like that while debating IS against the rules of Lemmy.ml. This goes for every political view, you DO NOT get free passes no matter if you’re leftist, rightist, communist, anarchist, liberal, etc. If you’re confident of your position you should be able to debate in a civil manner without cursing someone else out. I understand that debates can get heated and frustrating, hell I’ve debated with a good bunch of users, but you can still express that without resorting to name calling or insults.

Check the modlog, we HAVE removed replies of this nature from every political view, and even if we don’t say it every time, we DO keep track of both removals per user and general behaviour even if it doesn’t get removed, and too many infractions WILL result in a ban.

That said, it is NOT against the rules to present countering facts or opinions, or to have political opinions in general. Don’t report comments for “being pro communist” or “being pro China” unless they have broken an actual rule, namely the ones about being civil. Don’t attack or insult people from Lemmygrad just because they’re from Lemmygrad or they’re arguing for Marxism-Leninism or supporting a country you don’t. If they’re presenting their points in a civil manner (which had been the case for almost everyone from Lemmygrad), you can either read it and respond in kind with your questions or counterpoints, or just move on. People coming over from other instances is not brigading if they’re mostly being civil, that’s the whole point of federation.

Things people disagree with getting down voted is also acceptable, it’s not considered an attack on you if your comment has a negative score, and it doesn’t even significantly affect the ranking because of the relatively low comment volumes currently on Lemmy. It’s just imaginary internet points, relax.

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Stand behind this post 100%.

It’s completely okay to have political disagreements here, but please be respectful when doing so. We want to make this site an enjoyable experience, and its extremely alienating for others to see people rudely insulting each other. People aren’t going to want to interact with you online or IRL if you do your best to offend everyone you interact with.

Also about downvotes: we’re aware that not just downvotes, but also upvotes can be psychologically harmful for many. If that’s the case for you, there’s a setting where you can hide vote scores, yet still be able to vote on things and get all the benefits of sorting by popularity. I think its still a good idea to be transparent and show them by default tho.

Thanks you for your hard work. I do understand mod work is difficult, and should not be taken from granted. Biases are inevitable, or even sometimes useful. So take my comment for what it is, just how I feel as a user of this fantastic software and instance.

I feel like this post happens because bad behaviours happened a lot lately. And if I had to be honest, the aggressiveness often came from politically close people, meaning people defending PRC or USSR for example. I do understand my own biases as a leftist that think it is important to be way more critic than they are about “those communist countries” even if I agree western propaganda did and still does a lot against them. But I have to admit the action aggressiveness was delivered as if they assumed that moderation and administration were “on their side” and confident they would not get punished. And I have to admit it felt like they assumed right. I do feel like there is a tolerance that goes beyond accepting their political stance, but also allow some clearly unacceptable behavior.

I felt for a long time that Lemmy was a cool space to discuss things among a diversity of leftists that disagree but try to understand each other. It felt like somewhere you could try to change your mind about a multitude of complex political ideas. But recently it feels like people are just throwing what the truth is to them at each other. Many discussions feel useless and violent.

❤️ Cheer to all lemmings that try to keep this a cool discussion space ❤️, sorry for not talking that often.

we DO keep track of both removals per user and general behaviour even if it doesn’t get removed, and too many infractions WILL result in a ban.

Ok let’s talk specifics here, Catraism-Stalinism appeared on modlog 6 times on the span of 2 days. Been complained about dozens of times. At what point he is going to receive his at least temporary ban?

I think this case makes a good precedent that everyone can break the rules dozens of times. So why would anyone bother keeping the rules if you can break them and go unpunished?

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I had a bit of a mood, it won’t be repeated. I’m usually much better, and far less name-throwy. The past few days have gotten away from everyone. We can see that from the like to comments ratio on almost every political post in the past few days.

I have also been personally warned by the mods, so don’t think I will be doing much insulting in the future.

So how exactly does any of what you said excuse you from consequences of your actions?

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We’ll see then :)

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So fwiw, if you are looking for feedback here, I have ended up walking away from Lemmy (well, I maybe check the front page 1x every couple of months) in part because I think there’s a population of antagonistic users who effectively game the rules by being antagonistic up to the limits of what’s tolerated. My belief is that trolling reinvents itself every few years, and right now Lemmy is in a spot where it isn’t catching up how modern trolling works.

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Trolling is when someone disagrees with your opinion, and when a bunch of people do it, thats called being an “ebil hivemind”

Insults and disrespect in a discussion, only exposes the one who insults, showing his lack of arguments

I did not know about the modlog all this time. There is a comment removed with the reasons being “no call for assassinations”. But which rule is being applied here? Are we adding “no calls for violence” too?

It falls under being civil.

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I doubt we’ll add a no calls for violence in the same way reddit does, but we might need to add a no calls for assassinations rule since it seems that’s not common sense for some people.

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just ban me, these libs have chosen me as meal of the day. Just do it. They’re insufferable. I didn’t know I would cause a problem…

the chosen one!

It’s just imaginary internet points, relax.

Honest question: Then why are we having these points? If they are of no actual use, and nobody should care about them, why are they implemented? For what reason?

I suppose it’s just to say you agree or disagree. So can’t do anything when a crowd from Lemmygard votes bad on all your comments if you don’t support their government or politic discussion.

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their government or politic discussion.

So its bad when we disagree, but not when you libs do that.

So its bad when we disagree, but not when you libs do that.

I don’t do that, I rarely vote down… I talk about a lot of stuff, politics, tech, but when I need to talk about Communism and this kind of ideology I always get a crowd of downvotes.

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Communism and this kind of ideology I always get a crowd of downvotes.

could it be that you’re just wrong?

Yeah, maybe I am wrong, and need your illumination.

Or maybe a crowd of Communist people (Lemmygrad users) are doing mass votes to this kind of topic.

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