i hope its allowed, if not pls tell me and i will move it to another instance.

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    Not that it’s my place to say, but preferably people shoplift from Walmart and big retail rather than Mom and Pop stores.

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      My objection is that shoplifting contributes to food deserts. But hey, I’m just some capitalist shill or something.

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          Retail outlets will tolerate a certain amount of product loss (shoplifting) as just a cost of doing business. But if an area has so much shoplifting that the location is losing money, it will eventually get shut down. It doesn’t matter if they’re a massive big box retailer or a mom and pop store. Stores cannot stay open if they are being bled dry by shoplifting, and they will leave eventual.

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            If frippa’s efforts leads to any store shutting down I’d be impressed. But yes you have a good point. However it isn’t limited to food deserts. Like it could lead to tech deserts if ppl keep on robbing an apple store

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              Alone, of course one person wouldn’t. But if shoplifting is rampant in an area, it absolutely will make a difference. There’s a mall near me that has slowly been hollowed out because the area had an increase in shoplifting. Retail typically runs on very low profit margins, so it’s surprisingly easy to push them into being unprofitable.

              I focused on food deserts because (1) food is a critical human need and (2) food must be bought frequently. Traveling to a consumer electronics store is something one would typically do only occasionally. Grocery shopping tends to be somewhere around weekly. But yes, it would equally apply to consumer electronics or other stores.

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                What stops the store from stepping up security similar to the way gas stations operate? where you tell them what you want and they bring it to you, and the staff don’t let you into the store.

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        Not that I’m a scholar, but iirc petite bourgeois aren’t considered nearly as problematic in commie literature as regular bourgeois.

        Considering I’m on Lemmy, someone will correct me if I’m wrong

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          They are still buying and selling commodities produced with the exploitation of the workers, and even if they have let’s sya 1 employee, According to the labor theory of value, that’s an employee exploited (paid less than what he produces) AND EVEN if they don’t have external employees, F- . Engels in the origin of family says that capitalistic behaviors can be found in the family (ex: parents, partners and children coerced to work for basically pennies)

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            In hydrarchy, the captain is paid x2 of regular crew (iirc). In worker co-ops it varies, but the highest pay worker is paid x5.

            In like amazon i heard jeff bezos makes x364 ish of the lowest paid worker.

            If captain pay = regular crew pay, then no exploitation?

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                I’ve worked for a few small shops, and yeah I agree they’re non optimal.

                If captain pay = regular crew pay, then no exploitation?

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                  No exploitation = you’re paid the value of your work, impossible in capitalism

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                    Worker coops can and do exist under the larger umbrella off capitalism, and within that company, you’re paid reasonably. If capitalism stop existing what difference would that make to Worker coops?

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        Can we establish a hierarchy of targets to shoplift from?

        1. Tesla, anything Elon owns

        2. Amazon fraud, anything Bezos owns

        Basically write out all the billionaires in order of richest to poorest and that should be the lift list

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        Sure but one has far more means to exploit far more people, whose employees I would assume are far less motivated to catch shoplifters.

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          Pasted: They are still buying and selling commodities produced with the exploitation of the workers, and even if they have let’s sya 1 employee, According to the labor theory of value, that’s an employee exploited (paid less than what he produces) AND EVEN if they don’t have external employees, F- . Engels in the origin of family says that capitalistic behaviors can be found in the family (ex: parents, partners and children coerced to work for basically pennies)